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you're listening skeptoid I'm Brian

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Dunning from skeptoid comm not again

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Richard this is the 80th episode you've

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played I've heard ok

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he doesn't like erich von daniken I get

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welcome to the sceptic Zone the podcast

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from Australia for science and reason

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look as a lot of things people are into

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a lot of people are into gardening I'm

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huge on gardening particularly when it's

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a beer garden we're here in the big

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garden of the Dan O'Connell named after

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I think a Dan Brown book or something

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like that but it's a very day no connell

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pretty famous skeptic he was the first

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guy that said don't give me a beer I'll

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take that vodka straight I believe hello

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and welcome to the skeptics urn it looks

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empty he looks skeptical

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hello and welcome to the skeptics our

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own episode number 582 for the 8th of

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December 2019 Richardson is here with

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you from Melbourne Victoria I'm with

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Maine Arden we're here for skeptic on

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2019 in the crowd there's four people

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who live in the life now we're here for

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a big week in the skepticism coming up

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on this week's show Maynard for the

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people who are interested skeptical road

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trip you and I hit the road with the

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bent spoon we drive down from Sydney to

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Melbourne and see sights along the way

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yes it's the sceptical mr. and mr.

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envelope because no one knows who we are

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no they still they don't know who we are

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after then you're on deck with the

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interviews you interview our Mentalist

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market would susan gerbic from guerrilla

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skepticism on wikipedia a wonderful

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bloke Les Oates who's the supporter of

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the show who invited us to his

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restaurant more about that coming up yes

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yes we think you meet people who are

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fans of the show but really it's someone

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that says hey come around and hang out

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you don't get very often yeah we dined

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ourselves to oblivion it was so nice a

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great dining experience more about that

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coming up yes and you talked to Jane

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Avila to then we have Tim Mendham

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talking about geoengineering which

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should be interesting and we wrap up the

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show with the announcements of the

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winners and losers from this year's

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awards at geoengineering that was when

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George Arab fixed his fridge yes that's

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it you've got that effect I heard that

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episode that was fantastic

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so that's just a great show for you

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listen to all that stuff you're gonna

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have all this fresh it's in less than 24

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hours old no style content on the show

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today or any style content on the show

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well may not I think it's time for you

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and I to run a rail

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the corner heading and see if there's a

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drink first and while we do that we hope

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we are on the mighty road here with

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Richard Saunders driving the demon

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'mobile that is The Skeptical 'mobile

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it's possibly the smallest car that's

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ever been on any expressway in Australia

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I've currently got my knee in Richards

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ear is it comfortable driver chin

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exactly it's fantastic Richard same now

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we've been to all the major sir all at

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major sightseeing that could possibly be

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done between Sydney and Melbourne we've

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gone to Costco we dropped into the wine

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department there but they were only

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selling five or six litre cans they

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really they're very strange at Costco

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and then we moved up through we look for

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a large Toblerone but unfortunately it

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didn't fit in the car they do sell big

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place they have the big merino there and

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the thing to do is to stand behind it

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but since we want this for overseas

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visitors we took a photo in the front as

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well Richard are you explaining your

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driving experience or hang a mint we're

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just going past some police now there's

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new laws coming into action in New South

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Wales Australia fairly shortly where you

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can be secretly filmed while driving

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without your notice basically and

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there's no warning signs or anything

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you're just going to be driving around

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and they'll be you'll be filmed and

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they'll go oh you're using a mobile

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phone which is illegal but I'm just

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wondering where do they get off secretly

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filming people Richard I've been asked

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to be secretly filmed for years and

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they've never done it and now they want

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to do one my card wasn't in my car I

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wanted to be filmed look we're all being

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secretly filmed for years man I don't

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mean I'm not into conspiracy theories

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but you never know anyway yet we're

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driving down from Sydney to Melbourne

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for the Australian skeptics National

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Convention skeptic on and in the car and

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then the skeptics on 'mobile we have the

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been spoon now the bent spoon is growing

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bigger and bigger every year in every

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few years we have to put another layer

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of wood on it to put all the little

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parks on it and it's getting a bit of a

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problem because it's not that easy to

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fly down anywhere because it's so big so

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and it's it's really an irksome sort of

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thing because there's no handle on the

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base of the award and if you pick it up

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by the bent spoon the bent spoon

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promptly breaks and no one's ever

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bothered to fix that because it really

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only comes out once a year at

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conferences and then inevitably someone

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tries to pick it up by the spoon and

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what happens Richard got the broken

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spoon award about that now we're looking

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forward to awarding the bent spoon again

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this year of course but no so we felt

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photographed event spoon in Sydney on

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when we were setting off on our trip

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when we photographed the bin spoon

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outside Costco and now we've just

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giant merino sheep I'm really worried

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about going into Victoria too because

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Wales and Victoria if they stop and

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search I've got Star Trek pajamas and I

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think Star Trek pajamas are contraband

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in the state of Victoria but maybe

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you've been did you imagine hello so

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Star Trek pajamas oh yeah you won the

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skipping car the universe people and I

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said yes my name is Cara Santa Maria we

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looked the same and you don't usually

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see both of us in the same photo now the

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next stop in about let's see let's look

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the dog on the Tucker box now you can't

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fact you can't get much more Australian

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had like spirited it away and not in her

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like Japanese really interesting movie

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hoping to leave Tucker box there now if

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on the Tucker box but really you got to

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look at your country and the best thing

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source of storing food as an icon really

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lunch pail and a dog I couldn't be more

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excited about this as my whole

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everything in my life has led to this

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moment you're listening to skeptoid I'm

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Brian Dunning from skeptoid calm I'm not

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again Richard this is the 80th episode

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you've played I've heard ok

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he doesn't like erich von daniken I get

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well now we've been on the road for six

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or seven hours we're in Victoria where

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we're not far out from our destination

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but enough skeptoid may not enough

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enough enough I know I called the bent

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spoon because by then if you're so

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hungry you'll you'll bend a spoon while

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could kill a can of baked beans about

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now look I've we've seen a submarine

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that surfaced in Holbrook named after

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the worst is your sauce it's great yeah

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Melbourne where they have a submarine

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sitting on the grass there and you can

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submarine it's quite something and you

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which isn't really as exciting as

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anything on scooby-doo but it was fun

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were driving the skiff the skeptic

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'mobile I was in contact with the head

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office in Sydney because we're

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coordinating media for susan gerbic and

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mark edward at the moment so it's all

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on the sceptic zone coming up I've got

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to figure out what Carla's amber is

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talking about because I read her topic

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and basically I don't understand any of

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the words in the sentence except for the

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word for which I think is a number

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because it's got a u in it but I'm going

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to ask her about that I'm gonna be

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talking to people about all sorts of

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things because they're spooky stuff

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course and yeah we'll be talking about

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lots of stuff but just as long as you do

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not play any more maybe one more episode

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19 episodes in a row is as much as I can

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take and it's not a better record Annika

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it is it I tell you what we'll listen to

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skeptoid episode number one about New

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Age energy we've been driving through

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country Australia for the last hours and

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hours and hours not too much traffic

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lots of big rigs on the road of course

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and Mel burns and our sights an indigo

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Creek Road obviously indigo children

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indigo children a tribute to indigo

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going on well look no no there's that

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very famous incident where Brian Dunning

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asked so who have Albert man or myth and

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music because at long last we've only

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Brian Dunning in the Tijuana brass its

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Brian on keyboard he tells it like it is

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we're just near please came to a place a

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while back called dominance what the

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hell is dominance I don't know but it's

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just outside of submissive I did

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dominance in it and it had the the the

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restroom sign and it looked a bit like

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right okay that's not like a restroom to

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of it hi this is dr. Pamela gay from

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[Music]

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here's Maynard spooky action at a

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we're here in the Bertie the beetle

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theater named after the famous chocolate

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treat which I believe the great Sidney

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Myer donated to the University of

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Melbourne where we are he said look here

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have this and it's quite a wonderful

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place I'm sitting here with mark Edward

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hi everybody this is gonna be go

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performance pace over the next couple of

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days how do you feel about just seeing

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it in this stock state I love it it

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looks like it's going to be a good black

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out theatre for a seance so that's what

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I'm working on is trying to get of

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course we'll have to have the exit

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lights on there's nothing we can do

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about that but I'm still going to go

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ahead and and plan for a a little soir

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soiree with the spirits

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well people said he's a Mentalist I

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thought that's great getting awareness

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of psychological conditions are you OCD

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or more ADHD I'm OCD definitely well

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you'd need that today wouldn't you with

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my background in magic yeah everything

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is just too perfect

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sometimes so much preparation that has

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to go on at one point before you walk

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out onto the stage do you finally let it

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go and go okay I can't do any more about

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it now I pretty much over the years

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I travel really light and I don't I

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don't worry about anything all right

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because it's it's portable

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what I do is portable the only issue is

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when you're given 30 minutes it's gonna

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be kind of like hi I'm marketer and now

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here's the ghost you know you can't you

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can't tell a really a good story

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usually 50 minutes is about what I do so

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I'm gonna have to cut 20 minutes out and

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that's fine it'll just be the the

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express seance I have to ask you about

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that movie that the chiller did that was

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all like a bit of a science thing on

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stage of the play did now is that a good

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example of the genre I know I don't I

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don't think so because although Todd

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Robbins is certainly one of my favorite

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performers in the world it was more of a

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if it's longer I think it wasn't they

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weren't really going for like a

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Victorian style which is what I try to

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do to try and bring back that era so I

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mean really if you wanted to have

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seance and contemporary terms you just

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stand on the stage and make bold

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statements as if they're facts you know

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but I don't prefer that I like to have

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something happen that gets the people a

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little bit if I can so I'll be I'll be

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in the dark so to speak and that's

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different and you can you stand the the

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well the the people who talk to the dead

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for the people and tell them it's real I

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stand it that's why I'm here I'm you

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know the point is that is there any kind

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of a bit of slack but not none of them I

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cut him a bit of slack in terms of I

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really like the artifice that they use

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in other words the tricks and the verbal

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deceptions and I'm fascinated by that

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can they do things that you can't no

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hell no I can do things that they can

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yeah I thought they might be using some

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psychological manipulation of them

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because because they're being taken is

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real where you go hey I'm gonna do this

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stuff for you well but I can be taken as

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real to if I decide that's a direction I

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want to go in I can make somebody cry

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but to me making somebody break down in

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tears is not entertainment see that's

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the difference yes and I'm not out to

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get a hook in people I just want them to

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go hmm I want wonderment and then I want

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skepticism and basically I want people

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to think hmm now you have had people

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come up to you and go on uh you do have

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paranormal abilities you just don't know

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it you get that all the time

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even here I wouldn't be surprised oh

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yeah I there's always in a crowd of 300

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there's gonna be a certain percentage of

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people they may not actually say that

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that they're a believer but they'll come

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up and they'll say I had a weird

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experience and this and such and such

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and such happen because what you're

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doing is you're opening doors in

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people's minds that normally they don't

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go to so even in a skeptical group

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you're gonna get somebody who has a

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blind spot somewhere about a house they

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lived in or something you know yeah I

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always getting nervous around people

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that are as as well it go good in their

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art as yourself and magicians because I

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go out that these people can community

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let my reality and it freaks me out of

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it well but that's been the tradition of

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a magician for centuries yeah you know

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it

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I tell I teach the kids and people who I

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work with when I teach magic that all

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magic is science and if you're I forget

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what arthur c clarke said but if you

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have if you stay ahead of science that

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most people don't know about then that

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appears as magic and i just when we were

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in new zealand i did a thing which the

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skeptics couldn't figure out and i said

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it uses science but this science wasn't

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available till like 20 years ago so when

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you stay ahead of it and you use the

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scientific principle that nobody's

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familiar with it really looks like magic

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you know if you do it right so what drew

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you into this life and I spoke to Randy

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he was talking about the magician's way

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back almost vaudeville kind of Tommy

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what he loved the showbiz thing what

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drew you into what is it wow this is

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great well I think what drew drew me

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into Magic was number one my grandfather

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was a magician and so I was his guinea

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pig when I was a child when my parents

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had dropped me off from my grandparents

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to babysit my grandpa would bring out

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this box of tricks that he had

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so right away I became aware that when

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you're somebody shows you something in

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one hand what's the other hand doing and

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that's really my skeptic beginnings

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can't come from that experience of

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observing and evaluating how spectators

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respond to the simplest magic trick if

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you say it has to do with something

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supernatural you have to do very little

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but you have to tell a good story and so

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that led into seance work a magic for me

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regular standard magic it doesn't have

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any meaning I mean you know you spend a

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little your pocket money as a kid at the

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magic show oh yeah I'd save up every

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dime and you know I had a bunch of junk

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for years you know because the my magic

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teachers at that point were people just

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trying to sell me stuff you know so

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that's why over the years I pared down

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and as I pair down mentalism became much

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more fascinating to me because with

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mentalism the less props you have

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more the more you're gonna you're gonna

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stand out no that's not necessarily true

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with a Victorian medium they have

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certain props that they do ask about

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these have trumpets and horns that stuff

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had come out of the travel light I mean

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things and that's why I hope everybody

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would be able to see what's going on and

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that it works out because I didn't

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really bring you know all the

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tambourines and the bells and all of

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that let's get a bit technically it has

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this theater got good sight lines for a

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magician show sound so yeah I think

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it'll work yeah that's just that they

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haven't built the stage yet so I don't

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know all its gonna go hard I think so

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because there's gonna be panels so the

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panel's have to be up a little higher

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for you to see them so depending on how

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wide that that little strip is gonna be

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that'll tell me how big a table I can

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get in there because usually I try to do

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you know twelve people and the medium so

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it's 13 people at the table but I don't

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think that's going to happen here I

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think it's gonna be me and one I'll have

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a lot more questions to ask you out

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after I've seen your act later on there

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and and I'll probably bump into you back

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and forth in the corridor over the

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weekend but what is the one sceptical

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thing that really gets your goat a lot

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of people I mean obviously you've got a

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strong feeling for people who pretend

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it's real but skeptically what's the

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thing that really get on oh that's it

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that's yeah the the people who susan

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gerbic and I have chosen to sting or go

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after who are just outright you know

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blatant criminality of first kind we've

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seen it you know and we know it and

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we're tagging it and we're we're onto

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these guys so but they still keep

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working so and they have actually I

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don't know if it's effective or not you

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know and they're pretty good at their

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craft are they generally no yes a I

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thought sometimes I might be a bit so

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yeah we did go and see somebody who I

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won't mention who I really thought was

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really good okay yeah he was really good

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and he he was as smooth as silk and he

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had very little hot reading stuff he was

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just doing cold reading and yeah at the

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end I said that guy's good and do you

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think the thing that's dragged

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the dark side is purely money or do you

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think they think they genuinely helping

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people it's purely money otherwise

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they'd be at the police station trying

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to find missing persons I mean really

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that's what we keep that's where we

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always circle back to you know if you

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think you really got it do something mmm

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don't just sell tickets to it okay

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there's a peanut gallery listening to

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the interview well I think I really have

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and are you gonna build a stage up from

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there because we were it we worried

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about signs we want to see pants from

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the back row they will be a stage but

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I'm not sure how high look I'll let

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everything get going up to talk to you

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over the weekend thank you right my

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pleasure I'll talk to you again bye if

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you know something get out there and

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find some people hey Nina I have I you

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look I believe we're on a tram here did

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you touch on so to speak or should I not

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say that I've already done on my

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touching and you've been to the zoo I

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believe you have seen some fascinating

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animals like one of them did you see the

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oriental small-clawed auto or the pygmy

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hippo the early hippo that looks like

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but the platypus was too dark and I

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could see it and I miss the Firefox but

532
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I did see the meerkats and Iranian tanks

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and they were adorable

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oh those those it was it was just really

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sweet and I went with one of my gsa w

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editors Kelly Eckersley who brought his

537
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three-year-old little daughter with them

538
00:21:53,249 --> 00:21:51,039
and there's nothing like going to the

539
00:21:55,739 --> 00:21:53,259
zoo with a child did you give her a red

540
00:21:56,820 --> 00:21:55,749
drink and say what happens come on it's

541
00:21:59,249 --> 00:21:56,830
always fun doing that with other

542
00:22:01,859 --> 00:21:59,259
people's kids no we sure did we had a

543
00:22:03,450 --> 00:22:01,869
tree starter cookie oh well as sugar

544
00:22:05,249 --> 00:22:03,460
involved in that and what would you

545
00:22:07,649 --> 00:22:05,259
recommend as someone who's just lumped

546
00:22:09,479 --> 00:22:07,659
here in Melbourne as a overseas visitor

547
00:22:10,979 --> 00:22:09,489
what should they be doing well they

548
00:22:13,289 --> 00:22:10,989
should be going and interacting with

549
00:22:14,369 --> 00:22:13,299
people on the buses and trains and

550
00:22:16,370 --> 00:22:14,379
everywhere you possibly can because

551
00:22:18,860 --> 00:22:16,380
everybody's so friendly

552
00:22:20,420 --> 00:22:18,870
yeah well yeah we do have a certain

553
00:22:22,460 --> 00:22:20,430
similarities with America when it comes

554
00:22:24,530 --> 00:22:22,470
to that people are so nice everywhere

555
00:22:26,780 --> 00:22:24,540
we've been New Zealand and Australia so

556
00:22:28,370 --> 00:22:26,790
far well I think that as we're Americans

557
00:22:29,900 --> 00:22:28,380
we can get away with anything we can say

558
00:22:32,120 --> 00:22:29,910
anything we can be as friendly as who

559
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:32,130
what and everybody's like oh those poor

560
00:22:37,130 --> 00:22:34,890
Americans well yeah well we know who

561
00:22:39,410 --> 00:22:37,140
your president is I know I that

562
00:22:41,150 --> 00:22:39,420
everybody's so pitiful poor tortoise and

563
00:22:42,260 --> 00:22:41,160
I feel so apologetic I know it looks

564
00:22:44,150 --> 00:22:42,270
like you're getting him for another ten

565
00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:44,160
years as well absolutely not

566
00:22:49,430 --> 00:22:46,730
no absolutely not bite your tongue and

567
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:49,440
you haven't had any bad experiences

568
00:22:52,850 --> 00:22:51,210
having a look at the group vampires

569
00:22:54,680 --> 00:22:52,860
lately they've the guys who get upstaged

570
00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:54,690
to pretend they can talk with the dead

571
00:22:58,820 --> 00:22:56,730
have you had any bad experiences maybe

572
00:23:00,410 --> 00:22:58,830
been shoot out of a venue lately have

573
00:23:03,050 --> 00:23:00,420
you been given the bum's rush had they

574
00:23:05,120 --> 00:23:03,060
wet a broom and chased you out no no

575
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:05,130
yeah that's a really good example I had

576
00:23:11,750 --> 00:23:08,850
when the one with operation Pizza Pizza

577
00:23:15,980 --> 00:23:11,760
roll he has just put up a facebook video

578
00:23:17,450 --> 00:23:15,990
just yesterday calling me oh I don't

579
00:23:19,220 --> 00:23:17,460
know something really Oh everything he

580
00:23:21,940 --> 00:23:19,230
was calling you for everything yeah he

581
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:21,950
was really upset he called me and I

582
00:23:26,180 --> 00:23:24,690
predator or something like that it was

583
00:23:28,370 --> 00:23:26,190
some real great phrase are they

584
00:23:30,980 --> 00:23:28,380
suggesting that you might be deceptive

585
00:23:32,750 --> 00:23:30,990
in that you might be fooling people he's

586
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:32,760
really upset that I am calling him on

587
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:35,490
things he's he's kind of upset about a

588
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:38,850
lot of things right now I probably faced

589
00:23:44,670 --> 00:23:41,010
with the very difficult task of proving

590
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:44,680
the paranormal it's a tough one well

591
00:23:48,270 --> 00:23:46,450
it's a dodgy affair I mean you really

592
00:23:50,700 --> 00:23:48,280
have to sit down and spend a lot of time

593
00:23:52,710 --> 00:23:50,710
really trying it's not something you

594
00:23:54,510 --> 00:23:52,720
just come walk up and do it there's a

595
00:23:56,310 --> 00:23:54,520
lot of preparation there's a lot of

596
00:23:57,750 --> 00:23:56,320
follow-through and there's a lot of

597
00:23:59,250 --> 00:23:57,760
analysis and of course you have to

598
00:24:01,740 --> 00:23:59,260
record everything you possibly can

599
00:24:03,780 --> 00:24:01,750
because you need to be able to to look

600
00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:03,790
at to the detail of it we're on a bus

601
00:24:07,770 --> 00:24:05,290
with a bunch of school kids by the way

602
00:24:09,090 --> 00:24:07,780
everybody just coming back from school

603
00:24:10,770 --> 00:24:09,100
so they're pretty happy that is one of

604
00:24:11,670 --> 00:24:10,780
them to be Jack and carry on the last

605
00:24:13,740 --> 00:24:11,680
thing they want to think about is

606
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:13,750
homework until maybe they get home if

607
00:24:18,330 --> 00:24:16,690
then well I love seeing all the children

608
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:18,340
that's great seeing them at the zoo I

609
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:19,810
mean anytime you can go to a science

610
00:24:24,300 --> 00:24:22,450
museum or a zoo or aquarium or any kind

611
00:24:26,130 --> 00:24:24,310
you see children there it's great to see

612
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:26,140
them interacting and enjoying science

613
00:24:30,150 --> 00:24:28,210
well have a chat with you a bit later

614
00:24:33,290 --> 00:24:30,160
but what is the one scientific thing you

615
00:24:35,340 --> 00:24:33,300
learn today from your journey to the zoo

616
00:24:36,660 --> 00:24:35,350
well you learnt that the platypus

617
00:24:38,430 --> 00:24:36,670
doesn't like coming out in the daytime

618
00:24:40,970 --> 00:24:38,440
because the orangutan slow poo that's

619
00:24:45,810 --> 00:24:43,530
what did I learn today there were so

620
00:24:47,490 --> 00:24:45,820
many things I learned today it was it

621
00:24:49,110 --> 00:24:47,500
was just a beautiful day in Melbourne

622
00:24:50,970 --> 00:24:49,120
everybody keeps apologizing to me for

623
00:24:54,060 --> 00:24:50,980
the weather and I love this weather

624
00:24:55,740 --> 00:24:54,070
right now it's currently look that one

625
00:24:57,570 --> 00:24:55,750
or two and it's only got up to 18

626
00:24:59,370 --> 00:24:57,580
degrees today that's that's in the

627
00:25:01,350 --> 00:24:59,380
proper scale so see it's not the big one

628
00:25:03,540 --> 00:25:01,360
the Americans use this is about the

629
00:25:05,700 --> 00:25:03,550
temperature of my town most of the time

630
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:05,710
so it's really perfect for me it's very

631
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:07,090
welcoming I think they ordered this

632
00:25:10,500 --> 00:25:08,650
weather just perfect for me to fill at

633
00:25:11,730 --> 00:25:10,510
home let's enjoy the rest of the

634
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:11,740
afternoon and don't get in too much

635
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:13,210
trouble with your co-conspirator over

636
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:14,650
there - don't get there you guys are

637
00:25:19,500 --> 00:25:16,210
going to get in trouble why here well

638
00:25:38,260 --> 00:25:19,510
we'll try and nobody should know until

639
00:25:42,580 --> 00:25:40,750
look I'm in the front window of a

640
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:42,590
restaurant which is nothing unusual if

641
00:25:45,490 --> 00:25:43,970
then have you been to Amsterdam you will

642
00:25:47,919 --> 00:25:45,500
see me there but right now I'm in

643
00:25:49,930 --> 00:25:47,929
Heidelberg I'm not Heidelberg Russia not

644
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:49,940
even Heidelberg in um I'd know where the

645
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:51,290
held it but we're in Heidelberg

646
00:25:56,350 --> 00:25:53,210
Melbourne as some of I've never been to

647
00:25:59,049 --> 00:25:56,360
before the suburb named after I think

648
00:26:01,180 --> 00:25:59,059
the current think secretary named in

649
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:01,190
Hogan's Heroes and who they got here

650
00:26:06,010 --> 00:26:02,690
please tell us who you are and where we

651
00:26:08,500 --> 00:26:06,020
are okay so I'm Liz and I'm from the

652
00:26:12,010 --> 00:26:08,510
Heidelberg area and you're in our family

653
00:26:13,290 --> 00:26:12,020
restaurant Allen Tico trattoria which is

654
00:26:16,390 --> 00:26:13,300
on the corner of what by the way

655
00:26:18,430 --> 00:26:16,400
burgundy Street and Cape Street is this

656
00:26:20,020 --> 00:26:18,440
a restaurant area I'm looking around I

657
00:26:22,870 --> 00:26:20,030
don't see restaurants of your type

658
00:26:25,450 --> 00:26:22,880
around here no it's pretty much a

659
00:26:27,669 --> 00:26:25,460
takeaway or cafe area so yeah unusual

660
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:27,679
been here seven years you've obviously

661
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:30,170
had to go through a bit here and it's

662
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:32,690
now as anyone who does the show I can't

663
00:26:36,130 --> 00:26:34,610
cook I know nothing about it I'm a

664
00:26:37,450 --> 00:26:36,140
terrible cook I only cook for myself

665
00:26:39,190 --> 00:26:37,460
because really we don't want anyone else

666
00:26:41,799 --> 00:26:39,200
knowing about it but I've been enjoying

667
00:26:45,190 --> 00:26:41,809
what you've been doing here my wife is a

668
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:45,200
special special cook I mean Teresa to be

669
00:26:48,940 --> 00:26:47,330
doing it for years now and yeah it's

670
00:26:50,290 --> 00:26:48,950
just like eating at home if you were to

671
00:26:52,630 --> 00:26:50,300
come to my house that's what you're

672
00:26:54,130 --> 00:26:52,640
eating now you say you're a huge fan of

673
00:26:56,020 --> 00:26:54,140
the sceptics whom have got you know

674
00:26:57,580 --> 00:26:56,030
skeptic CERN we've got skeptics God the

675
00:27:00,840 --> 00:26:57,590
universe sitting over there where's the

676
00:27:03,549 --> 00:27:00,850
intersection of skepticism and cooking I

677
00:27:05,530 --> 00:27:03,559
just felt that after all the years of

678
00:27:08,620 --> 00:27:05,540
listening to them and how much they've

679
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:08,630
helped change my point point of view and

680
00:27:13,930 --> 00:27:10,970
I've come a long way from being way on

681
00:27:16,299 --> 00:27:13,940
the other side to critical thinker now I

682
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:16,309
thought the least I could do was offer a

683
00:27:20,890 --> 00:27:18,290
meal of my restaurant and say hey guys

684
00:27:23,410 --> 00:27:20,900
if you down this way I'd love to host

685
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:23,420
you so that's where it came from how did

686
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:25,250
you start your journey then I'm how did

687
00:27:28,180 --> 00:27:26,450
you even start listening to the show in

688
00:27:29,770 --> 00:27:28,190
the first place I mean I'm I'm I like

689
00:27:31,890 --> 00:27:29,780
lifting to all and look I love listening

690
00:27:34,299 --> 00:27:31,900
to skip you start to the universe and

691
00:27:36,310 --> 00:27:34,309
dark-matter radio I listen to the entire

692
00:27:37,900 --> 00:27:36,320
gamut of the whole thing but how did you

693
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:37,910
get to listen to them if you are on the

694
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:40,450
other side yes oh

695
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:42,250
I actually found it because I was doing

696
00:27:48,090 --> 00:27:45,610
a video podcast for my wife when she was

697
00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:48,100
first starting out in cooking right and

698
00:27:51,300 --> 00:27:49,450
I came across their podcast started

699
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:51,310
listening and it was at the same time

700
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:52,570
that I was sort of moving away from

701
00:27:58,140 --> 00:27:55,450
being a reincarnation --i stand being a

702
00:27:59,940 --> 00:27:58,150
palm reader and my mother's a neuro

703
00:28:02,550 --> 00:27:59,950
linguistic healer and all this sort of

704
00:28:05,250 --> 00:28:02,560
stuff and we certainly don't talk much

705
00:28:06,630 --> 00:28:05,260
anymore about this yes I mean Christmas

706
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:06,640
dinners must there be a few things

707
00:28:12,060 --> 00:28:08,650
aren't mentioned that's exactly right so

708
00:28:14,700 --> 00:28:12,070
I'm way down another rabbit hole and I

709
00:28:18,690 --> 00:28:14,710
just found that they helped me

710
00:28:19,830 --> 00:28:18,700
transition well you know right because I

711
00:28:21,360 --> 00:28:19,840
was over I brought up a couple of issues

712
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:21,370
first of all I said old they've just

713
00:28:25,950 --> 00:28:23,050
come from New Zealand I said oh isn't

714
00:28:27,930 --> 00:28:25,960
there a harp array an experimental harp

715
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:27,940
array down at Macquarie Island they

716
00:28:32,460 --> 00:28:29,410
didn't know anything about it so I was 0

717
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:32,470
for 1 there and I went ok I'm Sam Harris

718
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:34,090
on his podcast recently has been talking

719
00:28:39,990 --> 00:28:37,330
about large DMT for psychological

720
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:40,000
experiences and opening up the third eye

721
00:28:44,940 --> 00:28:42,610
and they looked at me like what's DMT so

722
00:28:46,350 --> 00:28:44,950
I'm I was 2 for 0 the third one I was

723
00:28:49,350 --> 00:28:46,360
going to mention was the Vulcan laser

724
00:28:51,810 --> 00:28:49,360
that can transmute stuff to turn it into

725
00:28:54,030 --> 00:28:51,820
the atomic waste is less radioactive

726
00:28:55,530 --> 00:28:54,040
when you use his laser on it I thought

727
00:28:58,260 --> 00:28:55,540
don't even get that one out of the shed

728
00:28:59,820 --> 00:28:58,270
may not just shut up so what did you

729
00:29:02,160 --> 00:28:59,830
talk about that you go signed to in

730
00:29:03,900 --> 00:29:02,170
cooking no I went a little bit of

731
00:29:05,730 --> 00:29:03,910
science with Jay talking about some of

732
00:29:07,980 --> 00:29:05,740
the movies that they talk about on their

733
00:29:10,470 --> 00:29:07,990
other show their alpha quadrant show

734
00:29:11,610 --> 00:29:10,480
never never the one did they they

735
00:29:13,770 --> 00:29:11,620
haven't had the one you talked about

736
00:29:15,990 --> 00:29:13,780
have they no he hadn't seen that movie

737
00:29:19,410 --> 00:29:16,000
and seen the fall I have what's called

738
00:29:20,730 --> 00:29:19,420
the Forbin project yes yes yeah look

739
00:29:23,100 --> 00:29:20,740
look I reckon it's where they got the

740
00:29:25,350 --> 00:29:23,110
entire idea for Skynet from I'm with you

741
00:29:26,610 --> 00:29:25,360
it's still very very good so yeah we

742
00:29:29,670 --> 00:29:26,620
just talked a bit about that and we're

743
00:29:32,340 --> 00:29:29,680
talking about modeling and the guys at

744
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:32,350
waiter workshop and making the props and

745
00:29:37,190 --> 00:29:34,810
that type of thing so because I in my

746
00:29:39,530 --> 00:29:37,200
spare time make models you know

747
00:29:41,270 --> 00:29:39,540
and what's your thing the most proud of

748
00:29:42,950 --> 00:29:41,280
what's the one that's hanging or in the

749
00:29:45,470 --> 00:29:42,960
man shed or somewhere in the house or I

750
00:29:47,150 --> 00:29:45,480
can see it of you have you done a b-17

751
00:29:49,130 --> 00:29:47,160
Flying Fortress half scale what he had

752
00:29:52,010 --> 00:29:49,140
done up to now I actually do see planes

753
00:29:54,230 --> 00:29:52,020
World War two very specific and in

754
00:29:55,910 --> 00:29:54,240
particular dawnia's so German I was

755
00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:55,920
gonna say where the skepticism come in

756
00:29:59,720 --> 00:29:57,330
running a restaurant because you'll get

757
00:30:01,280 --> 00:29:59,730
people in here spouting their opinions

758
00:30:02,990 --> 00:30:01,290
which are not based on facts but then

759
00:30:04,220 --> 00:30:03,000
again if you like something you like

760
00:30:05,570 --> 00:30:04,230
something if you don't like the taste of

761
00:30:07,100 --> 00:30:05,580
something you don't so it's kind of hard

762
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:07,110
to say look imperially our foods good so

763
00:30:09,020 --> 00:30:08,610
shut up or leave you know you can't do

764
00:30:11,270 --> 00:30:09,030
that

765
00:30:12,980 --> 00:30:11,280
I've learnt to be more diplomatic about

766
00:30:15,530 --> 00:30:12,990
those types of things you know you have

767
00:30:17,300 --> 00:30:15,540
to be you have to be because you've got

768
00:30:18,620 --> 00:30:17,310
to let people have their opinions and

769
00:30:21,260 --> 00:30:18,630
they're eating the food they're not here

770
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:21,270
to talk other stuff with us so you know

771
00:30:25,070 --> 00:30:23,610
what do you think has been one of the

772
00:30:26,420 --> 00:30:25,080
great lessons you've been able to take

773
00:30:27,740 --> 00:30:26,430
into everyday life from listening to

774
00:30:30,170 --> 00:30:27,750
something like skeptics guide to the

775
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:30,180
universe so what's the thing about

776
00:30:33,410 --> 00:30:31,650
critical thinking that you really think

777
00:30:36,470 --> 00:30:33,420
hey that that is a good thing to know a

778
00:30:40,130 --> 00:30:36,480
good tool for life the biggest one for

779
00:30:43,190 --> 00:30:40,140
me is listening and actually listening

780
00:30:45,620 --> 00:30:43,200
like actively listening not just nodding

781
00:30:48,110 --> 00:30:45,630
saying yeah yeah yeah having contact

782
00:30:50,330 --> 00:30:48,120
with the eyes otherwise known as psyche

783
00:30:51,740 --> 00:30:50,340
responses 101 I think they're also known

784
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:51,750
as for people out there that may be

785
00:30:54,830 --> 00:30:53,250
studying at the moment you've got to

786
00:30:56,630 --> 00:30:54,840
actually genuine this and don't just say

787
00:30:57,230 --> 00:30:56,640
the last thing they said back to them in

788
00:30:59,270 --> 00:30:57,240
a different way

789
00:31:01,430 --> 00:30:59,280
yeah that's right so I think that's the

790
00:31:03,050 --> 00:31:01,440
biggest learning is just listening

791
00:31:06,500 --> 00:31:03,060
intently to what people have to say and

792
00:31:08,630 --> 00:31:06,510
and then digesting it before you try and

793
00:31:10,700 --> 00:31:08,640
smack them into a corner or about

794
00:31:12,020 --> 00:31:10,710
something that you don't agree with you

795
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:12,030
can hear everyone having a great time at

796
00:31:14,810 --> 00:31:13,290
the table eating the food over there

797
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:14,820
what's the website for the restaurant

798
00:31:17,780 --> 00:31:15,930
where people can go along and have a

799
00:31:19,700 --> 00:31:17,790
look and maybe if they want to try some

800
00:31:22,190 --> 00:31:19,710
food get onto the your wife's cooking

801
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:22,200
books there they can go to the the

802
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:25,530
restaurant is a lantee co.com dot au so

803
00:31:32,180 --> 00:31:29,730
a double lan TI co.com dot a you if you

804
00:31:34,910 --> 00:31:32,190
do a you go to the Italian versions in

805
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:34,920
Italy okay and then her cookbooks are

806
00:31:39,010 --> 00:31:37,650
through man German Joe comdata you so M

807
00:31:41,950 --> 00:31:39,020
ang IA

808
00:31:44,380 --> 00:31:41,960
ma ngi a means eat eat because as you

809
00:31:46,210 --> 00:31:44,390
can see you know yeah you look pretty

810
00:31:47,380 --> 00:31:46,220
healthy what do you like is the cook

811
00:31:48,940 --> 00:31:47,390
because I mean occasionally she might

812
00:31:50,500 --> 00:31:48,950
like to have a night off so so what do

813
00:31:53,950 --> 00:31:50,510
you do what's your specialty dish I

814
00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:53,960
specialize in the roasts and the spit

815
00:31:59,500 --> 00:31:57,530
the yeah Filipino pig on a spit yeah

816
00:32:02,530 --> 00:31:59,510
classic men's stuff to do isn't it

817
00:32:04,390 --> 00:32:02,540
yeah men's stuff to the end but the

818
00:32:05,950 --> 00:32:04,400
italians can't do it as you can hear

819
00:32:07,180 --> 00:32:05,960
everyone's having a great time and thank

820
00:32:10,210 --> 00:32:07,190
you for being our host tonight you've

821
00:32:12,190 --> 00:32:10,220
been very gracious and a skeptical chef

822
00:32:14,260 --> 00:32:12,200
a skeptical restaurant owner I met one

823
00:32:21,610 --> 00:32:14,270
before thank you so much thanks for your

824
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:21,620
time we hear and at the table Steve you

825
00:32:26,230 --> 00:32:22,970
enjoyed your meal didn't you Steve

826
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:26,240
hello Nadia yeah what was it best part

827
00:32:30,490 --> 00:32:28,730
of the meal for you oh the lasagna which

828
00:32:30,970 --> 00:32:30,500
I had is really excellent really well

829
00:32:34,390 --> 00:32:30,980
done

830
00:32:36,490 --> 00:32:34,400
in a lovely a hot dish good good content

831
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:36,500
good pasta lovely we'll have you served

832
00:32:41,980 --> 00:32:40,730
just I felt me authentic yeah I got

833
00:32:43,630 --> 00:32:41,990
stuck into the naki there and a whole

834
00:32:45,910 --> 00:32:43,640
bunch of other things there now Richard

835
00:32:48,730 --> 00:32:45,920
um you you're when we don't normally go

836
00:32:50,950 --> 00:32:48,740
to for culinary culinary commentary here

837
00:32:54,340 --> 00:32:50,960
and as everyone knows I can't cook but

838
00:32:55,660 --> 00:32:54,350
I'll grab my last meal but both of us

839
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:55,670
are kind of blown away with the fact

840
00:33:01,960 --> 00:32:57,650
that how we even got here in the first

841
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:01,970
place yeah it's really tremendously

842
00:33:07,990 --> 00:33:04,130
generous of our host to do this for us I

843
00:33:11,980 --> 00:33:08,000
must say I had the lasagna too and it

844
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:11,990
came out on it was hot and the Parmesan

845
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:14,570
cheese was on top and it melted up down

846
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:15,130
into

847
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:18,490
and up tasting your life it was just a

848
00:33:24,270 --> 00:33:22,330
wonderfully amaze built the almost the

849
00:33:26,370 --> 00:33:24,280
Swiss cheese of holes that had to

850
00:33:28,230 --> 00:33:26,380
arrange for to meet a guy who owned a

851
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:28,240
restaurant and in Melbourne while they

852
00:33:31,770 --> 00:33:30,130
were coming who was a fan of skeptic

853
00:33:34,530 --> 00:33:31,780
John who was a fan of skeptics guard the

854
00:33:35,850 --> 00:33:34,540
universe who used to be not so much into

855
00:33:37,230 --> 00:33:35,860
the critical thinking and there was a

856
00:33:38,730 --> 00:33:37,240
lot that was very thankful to the guys

857
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:38,740
and said come over to have like that's

858
00:33:42,510 --> 00:33:40,450
that's a that's a pretty small Venn

859
00:33:44,940 --> 00:33:42,520
diagram we're getting into there and the

860
00:33:46,860 --> 00:33:44,950
Swiss cheese is a good analogy although

861
00:33:50,310 --> 00:33:46,870
all the holes have lined up it's true

862
00:33:51,750 --> 00:33:50,320
yeah I think we should just enjoy the

863
00:33:54,300 --> 00:33:51,760
rest of Melanie we will but you know

864
00:33:57,300 --> 00:33:54,310
what JJ novella is just opposite us

865
00:34:00,180 --> 00:33:57,310
deeply engaged in conversation with our

866
00:34:02,910 --> 00:34:00,190
chef tonight and he seems to know his

867
00:34:05,730 --> 00:34:02,920
way around a kitchen all day novella we

868
00:34:07,770 --> 00:34:05,740
might get a comment from him he's a

869
00:34:09,750 --> 00:34:07,780
meatball man he's a meatball Matt he say

870
00:34:12,180 --> 00:34:09,760
yeah yeah I like spaghetti meatballs

871
00:34:13,530 --> 00:34:12,190
very simple but it's amazing how often

872
00:34:14,990 --> 00:34:13,540
people get it wrong like I would if I

873
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:15,000
could

874
00:34:18,629 --> 00:34:17,290
I've seen a lot of people have a meal

875
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:18,639
and be very impressed but I'm talking to

876
00:34:22,500 --> 00:34:20,290
a man now who frankly just had you got a

877
00:34:24,389 --> 00:34:22,510
food apotheosis is what's happened to

878
00:34:25,919 --> 00:34:24,399
you tonight if you've gone amazingly

879
00:34:27,570 --> 00:34:25,929
here you it's almost like you've had

880
00:34:29,220 --> 00:34:27,580
some DMT man you've been freaked out by

881
00:34:31,290 --> 00:34:29,230
this food tell us what you've enjoyed

882
00:34:33,990 --> 00:34:31,300
does your spaghetti and meatballs man

883
00:34:35,700 --> 00:34:34,000
yeah I mean I judge a restaurant an

884
00:34:38,100 --> 00:34:35,710
Italian restaurant by the quality of

885
00:34:40,230 --> 00:34:38,110
their red sauce their meatballs and the

886
00:34:42,690 --> 00:34:40,240
pasta it's got to be it's got to be made

887
00:34:43,889 --> 00:34:42,700
in the restaurant and it's it's a really

888
00:34:45,210 --> 00:34:43,899
good formula because if they get all

889
00:34:46,619 --> 00:34:45,220
three of those right it means that they

890
00:34:49,260 --> 00:34:46,629
can get a lot of stuff right in the

891
00:34:51,210 --> 00:34:49,270
restaurant so and I'm a meatball man you

892
00:34:53,159 --> 00:34:51,220
know that I love meatballs I make them I

893
00:34:54,570 --> 00:34:53,169
make the meatballs at in my house and

894
00:34:56,100 --> 00:34:54,580
the meatballs here were excellent

895
00:34:59,700 --> 00:34:56,110
well you had you met you ate here too

896
00:35:01,440 --> 00:34:59,710
you know it's like the signify it's like

897
00:35:02,730 --> 00:35:01,450
if we're if you would Noam Chomsky

898
00:35:04,260 --> 00:35:02,740
the speaking of the meatballs will be

899
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:04,270
the signifier of what was going on the

900
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:06,010
restaurant yeah that's the heart of the

901
00:35:13,500 --> 00:35:09,850
kitchen right yeah but we had so we had

902
00:35:15,450 --> 00:35:13,510
the eggplant parmesan you had yaki right

903
00:35:16,860 --> 00:35:15,460
how about I didn't get a chance to try

904
00:35:18,150 --> 00:35:16,870
it he'll you wouldn't yeah you wouldn't

905
00:35:18,849 --> 00:35:18,160
put your fingers anywhere near me while

906
00:35:20,949 --> 00:35:18,859
I was eating

907
00:35:22,599 --> 00:35:20,959
yeah you you killed it you just like you

908
00:35:24,130 --> 00:35:22,609
just went for broke you can tell I'm a

909
00:35:25,870 --> 00:35:24,140
crap cook I don't get stuff as good as

910
00:35:27,279 --> 00:35:25,880
that normally yeah yeah yeah but

911
00:35:28,690 --> 00:35:27,289
everything on everything that hit the

912
00:35:31,089 --> 00:35:28,700
table was amazing even down to the

913
00:35:32,890 --> 00:35:31,099
homemade olives it was ridiculously good

914
00:35:35,019 --> 00:35:32,900
tell me you guys are a bit sort of about

915
00:35:36,430 --> 00:35:35,029
jet-lagged here does that affect the the

916
00:35:38,229 --> 00:35:36,440
palate of the food there's a food

917
00:35:40,569 --> 00:35:38,239
tasting different food costs you're a

918
00:35:44,380 --> 00:35:40,579
bit jet-lagged I mean if we're if I'm

919
00:35:47,019 --> 00:35:44,390
amazingly underslept everything is in a

920
00:35:48,759 --> 00:35:47,029
haze like we got up it this morning at

921
00:35:50,589 --> 00:35:48,769
1:00 a.m. to leave Wellington to come

922
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:50,599
here and like we had lunch I don't even

923
00:35:54,609 --> 00:35:51,890
remember what we had we had some

924
00:35:56,380 --> 00:35:54,619
something and it you know but yeah we

925
00:35:58,180 --> 00:35:56,390
took a nap before we showed up I didn't

926
00:35:59,440 --> 00:35:58,190
want to be underslept to deal with it

927
00:36:00,849 --> 00:35:59,450
because you know eating a heavy meal

928
00:36:03,599 --> 00:36:00,859
like this got it you got to pay

929
00:36:06,519 --> 00:36:03,609
attention and enjoy every second of it

930
00:36:07,989 --> 00:36:06,529
look look the coffees are turning up now

931
00:36:09,579 --> 00:36:07,999
but but what would you get the meal out

932
00:36:10,930 --> 00:36:09,589
of a 10 so you know come on here's your

933
00:36:12,699 --> 00:36:10,940
cooking show it's Jays cooking show

934
00:36:14,949 --> 00:36:12,709
here's he scores

935
00:36:16,269 --> 00:36:14,959
it's cooking with that Jay guy that's a

936
00:36:18,940 --> 00:36:16,279
great name for it well if you're judging

937
00:36:21,339 --> 00:36:18,950
just on the quality of the food you mean

938
00:36:23,109 --> 00:36:21,349
this restaurant is it is a 10 for the

939
00:36:25,509 --> 00:36:23,119
authenticity because it's all homemade

940
00:36:27,849 --> 00:36:25,519
and that these are real Italians here so

941
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:27,859
that's one thing but then the family

942
00:36:31,989 --> 00:36:29,690
style and the way that we were treated

943
00:36:32,620 --> 00:36:31,999
yes you know we're being treated like

944
00:36:34,809 --> 00:36:32,630
family

945
00:36:36,219 --> 00:36:34,819
that's a 10 plus you know I know that

946
00:36:37,959 --> 00:36:36,229
there's nothing above a 10 but it does

947
00:36:40,329 --> 00:36:37,969
make the whole experience so much better

948
00:36:42,819 --> 00:36:40,339
just one last question because you are

949
00:36:45,130 --> 00:36:42,829
Batali what is the intersection between

950
00:36:46,420 --> 00:36:45,140
cooking and skepticism very often does

951
00:36:47,949 --> 00:36:46,430
this happen very often where you'll be

952
00:36:49,539 --> 00:36:47,959
over in the US and some other go hey

953
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:49,549
I've got a restaurant come on over

954
00:36:52,660 --> 00:36:51,410
because your critical thinking changed

955
00:36:55,299 --> 00:36:52,670
my life I don't hear that a lot from

956
00:36:59,739 --> 00:36:55,309
chefs they keep it to themselves Maynard

957
00:37:02,319 --> 00:36:59,749
I give the truth like a like a knife and

958
00:37:03,609 --> 00:37:02,329
I find it most times people can't handle

959
00:37:05,499 --> 00:37:03,619
the truth they don't want to they don't

960
00:37:07,449 --> 00:37:05,509
want to hear me say you know the food

961
00:37:10,299 --> 00:37:07,459
sucked or the meatballs were not good I

962
00:37:12,670 --> 00:37:10,309
didn't have to lie tonight but

963
00:37:15,489 --> 00:37:12,680
interestingly enough cooking is a very

964
00:37:18,549 --> 00:37:15,499
scientific process it is about chemistry

965
00:37:21,489 --> 00:37:18,559
and my mother-in-law Courtney's mom

966
00:37:23,349 --> 00:37:21,499
reads cooks cook cooks kitchen or

967
00:37:25,180 --> 00:37:23,359
America's Test Kitchen so I highly

968
00:37:28,749 --> 00:37:25,190
recommend anybody that's into cooking to

969
00:37:29,989 --> 00:37:28,759
to go to so you can you could get their

970
00:37:31,759 --> 00:37:29,999
magazine and then they have

971
00:37:34,309 --> 00:37:31,769
goes online that you could watch and

972
00:37:36,199 --> 00:37:34,319
they treat cooking strictly by science

973
00:37:37,819 --> 00:37:36,209
it's all about the chemistry and you can

974
00:37:39,739 --> 00:37:37,829
learn so much like as an example I'll

975
00:37:41,779 --> 00:37:39,749
give you a quick example when you cook

976
00:37:44,329 --> 00:37:41,789
any meat you have to dry the meat

977
00:37:46,879 --> 00:37:44,339
completely dry it you cannot put damp

978
00:37:48,799 --> 00:37:46,889
meat chicken or steak or anything under

979
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:48,809
when you're cooking it if you if you put

980
00:37:53,269 --> 00:37:50,729
it in when it's wet it's gonna steam the

981
00:37:54,649 --> 00:37:53,279
meat and it doesn't cook the outside of

982
00:37:57,679 --> 00:37:54,659
the meat properly which means you're not

983
00:37:59,749 --> 00:37:57,689
getting all the flavor out so if there's

984
00:38:02,029 --> 00:37:59,759
science and cooking so if you think

985
00:38:04,009 --> 00:38:02,039
about it skepticism is based on science

986
00:38:07,129 --> 00:38:04,019
cooking is based on science

987
00:38:26,259 --> 00:38:07,139
god damn eating is based on science cut

988
00:38:31,759 --> 00:38:29,630
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989
00:38:33,769 --> 00:38:31,769
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990
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991
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992
00:38:40,849 --> 00:38:38,910
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993
00:38:42,949 --> 00:38:40,859
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994
00:38:45,140 --> 00:38:42,959
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995
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:45,150
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996
00:38:49,819 --> 00:38:47,729
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997
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998
00:38:53,900 --> 00:38:52,229
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999
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1000
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1006
00:39:29,730 --> 00:39:27,610
hi my name's Tim Mendham I'm executive

1007
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:29,740
officer for Australian skeptics Inc and

1008
00:39:35,790 --> 00:39:32,410
the editor of our magazine the skeptic

1009
00:39:38,730 --> 00:39:35,800
and today I'll be reading from a section

1010
00:39:41,610 --> 00:39:38,740
of the magazine we call them also we

1011
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:41,620
call it readers in digestible which is

1012
00:39:45,690 --> 00:39:43,210
about all the strange websites and

1013
00:39:48,510 --> 00:39:45,700
publications that are out there that are

1014
00:39:52,020 --> 00:39:48,520
worth having a look at and reviewing if

1015
00:39:54,330 --> 00:39:52,030
only because some are very strange this

1016
00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:54,340
is particular one is about earth movers

1017
00:40:04,740 --> 00:39:57,370
geoengineering and it's from the skeptic

1018
00:40:13,230 --> 00:40:04,750
September 2018 vol 38 number 3 we call

1019
00:40:15,540 --> 00:40:13,240
the earth movers if you happen to be in

1020
00:40:17,460 --> 00:40:15,550
Sidney's Hills district which is in the

1021
00:40:19,470 --> 00:40:17,470
northwest of the city you might have

1022
00:40:21,780 --> 00:40:19,480
noticed a sign nailed to a telegraph

1023
00:40:25,380 --> 00:40:21,790
pole beside one of the city's busiest

1024
00:40:28,890 --> 00:40:25,390
main roads it boldly announces the

1025
00:40:29,970 --> 00:40:28,900
destruction of all life on Earth this

1026
00:40:31,470 --> 00:40:29,980
might be a bit of a concern if you

1027
00:40:33,630 --> 00:40:31,480
happen to be stuck in traffic reading

1028
00:40:35,550 --> 00:40:33,640
the sign how are you going to get home

1029
00:40:38,130 --> 00:40:35,560
to the family if you're suddenly taken

1030
00:40:39,780 --> 00:40:38,140
off to the other place but you need to

1031
00:40:41,940 --> 00:40:39,790
be stuck in traffic to read the sign as

1032
00:40:43,410 --> 00:40:41,950
it's in such small print if you're

1033
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:43,420
likely to cause a make your accident if

1034
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:44,770
you take your eyes off the road and

1035
00:40:48,690 --> 00:40:46,570
strain to see what it's all about

1036
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:48,700
now that might cause the end of all life

1037
00:40:52,710 --> 00:40:50,770
on earth or at least that little section

1038
00:40:55,740 --> 00:40:52,720
of it it is of course all about

1039
00:41:01,500 --> 00:40:55,750
geoengineering and the sign points to a

1040
00:41:03,660 --> 00:41:01,510
website WWE engineering watch org and if

1041
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:03,670
you read that lengthy URL as you wheels

1042
00:41:07,350 --> 00:41:05,290
past then you're definitely going to

1043
00:41:10,260 --> 00:41:07,360
call it an accident but the threats that

1044
00:41:13,650 --> 00:41:10,270
the sign and the site warn against a no

1045
00:41:15,540 --> 00:41:13,660
accident quoting the site geoengineering

1046
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:15,550
is the artificial modification of

1047
00:41:21,090 --> 00:41:17,890
Earth's climate systems through two

1048
00:41:24,780 --> 00:41:21,100
primary ideologies solar radiation

1049
00:41:27,780 --> 00:41:24,790
management SRM and carbon dioxide remove

1050
00:41:29,130 --> 00:41:27,790
cd-r naturally this is all the work of

1051
00:41:33,060 --> 00:41:29,140
the government and the public are being

1052
00:41:34,620 --> 00:41:33,070
taken from mugs again from the website

1053
00:41:36,329 --> 00:41:34,630
how much longer can our government

1054
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:36,339
continue to hide the global climate

1055
00:41:42,450 --> 00:41:40,330
engineering assault in plain sight hmm

1056
00:41:44,250 --> 00:41:42,460
how much longer will populations

1057
00:41:46,500 --> 00:41:44,260
continue to blindly accept the official

1058
00:41:48,900 --> 00:41:46,510
government narrative of lies and denial

1059
00:41:51,060 --> 00:41:48,910
in regard to the clearly visible and

1060
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:51,070
rationally undeniable ongoing

1061
00:41:55,859 --> 00:41:54,130
geoengineering operations how is it

1062
00:41:58,440 --> 00:41:55,869
possible for the power structure to

1063
00:42:01,050 --> 00:41:58,450
create and maintain the official denial

1064
00:42:04,260 --> 00:42:01,060
of fully deployed climate intervention

1065
00:42:06,300 --> 00:42:04,270
programs by completely controlling the

1066
00:42:09,810 --> 00:42:06,310
flow of information including the

1067
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:09,820
weather forecasts themselves now you

1068
00:42:13,710 --> 00:42:10,930
might have noticed a few logical

1069
00:42:15,329 --> 00:42:13,720
inconsistencies in this claim for a

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start how can you hide the global

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00:42:19,859 --> 00:42:16,990
climate engineering assault in plain

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00:42:22,740 --> 00:42:19,869
sight might be because populations are

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blind to what is clearly visible by

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00:42:27,420 --> 00:42:24,660
clearly visible they mean chemtrails

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00:42:29,579 --> 00:42:27,430
which involved quote jet aircraft

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00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:29,589
spraying of atmospheric aerosol

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00:42:33,930 --> 00:42:31,930
particulates these elements are then

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00:42:36,839 --> 00:42:33,940
manipulated with powerful ground-based

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00:42:40,829 --> 00:42:36,849
radio frequency microwave transmissions

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00:42:43,349 --> 00:42:40,839
all good stuff available evidence the

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00:42:45,450 --> 00:42:43,359
site continues makes clear governments

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00:42:47,940 --> 00:42:45,460
around the globe are cooperating on

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00:42:49,710 --> 00:42:47,950
climate engineering operations due to

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00:42:52,530 --> 00:42:49,720
the cross-border ramifications of

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00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:52,540
geoengineering the massive military of

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00:42:58,560 --> 00:42:54,970
the u.s. is unarguably the largest

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00:43:00,120 --> 00:42:58,570
participant so this is a big stuff that

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00:43:02,700 --> 00:43:00,130
last bit gives away that this is an

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00:43:04,770 --> 00:43:02,710
American site which is impressive that

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00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:04,780
the organization reach extends to

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00:43:08,910 --> 00:43:06,570
telegraph poles in the other Sidney

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00:43:11,820 --> 00:43:08,920
their fight is based around the legal

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00:43:13,140 --> 00:43:11,830
alliance to stop geoengineering which is

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00:43:15,060 --> 00:43:13,150
part of the campaign to get all the

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00:43:17,190 --> 00:43:15,070
incriminating documentation from

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00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:17,200
government agencies such as the National

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00:43:21,660 --> 00:43:19,330
Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration

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00:43:24,570 --> 00:43:21,670
another player in this campaign is stop

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00:43:26,790 --> 00:43:24,580
geoengineering Minnesota why Minnesota

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00:43:28,770 --> 00:43:26,800
is anyone's guess especially if

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00:43:31,710 --> 00:43:28,780
geoengineering Watch is headquartered in

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00:43:34,050 --> 00:43:31,720
Bella Vista California now it's a

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00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:34,060
strange irony the sign on the telegraph

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00:43:38,250 --> 00:43:36,010
pole is not that far as the crow flies

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00:43:43,470 --> 00:43:38,260
from the Sydney suburb of

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00:43:44,940 --> 00:43:43,480
bellavista coincidence we think not the

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00:43:46,980 --> 00:43:44,950
website is very busy generally

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00:43:48,690 --> 00:43:46,990
professional but with lots and lots of

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00:43:51,870 --> 00:43:48,700
little ads either side of the main text

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00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:51,880
promoting video clips merchandise DVD

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00:43:57,060 --> 00:43:55,210
and book there's only one flyer like the

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00:43:59,820 --> 00:43:57,070
one above on the telegraph pole and

1113
00:44:01,410 --> 00:43:59,830
again there any seems to be one which is

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00:44:03,630 --> 00:44:01,420
similar to the sign of the pole and lots

1115
00:44:04,140 --> 00:44:03,640
of links to other information the usual

1116
00:44:07,650 --> 00:44:04,150
culprits

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00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:07,660
are blasted harp h ee RP featuring

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00:44:12,390 --> 00:44:09,970
prominently the high frequency active

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00:44:15,180 --> 00:44:12,400
auroral research program was initiated

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00:44:17,340 --> 00:44:15,190
by the US Air Force the US Navy the

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00:44:19,170 --> 00:44:17,350
University of Alaska Fairbanks and the

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00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:19,180
Defense Advanced Research Projects

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00:44:24,570 --> 00:44:22,210
Agency evil geoengineering organisations

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00:44:27,270 --> 00:44:24,580
hiding in plain sight if ever there were

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00:44:29,310 --> 00:44:27,280
some other culprits include the quote

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00:44:32,070 --> 00:44:29,320
criminals behind the Fukushima nuclear

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00:44:34,110 --> 00:44:32,080
power plant the government cover-up on

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00:44:35,940 --> 00:44:34,120
what is really going on there is covered

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00:44:37,530 --> 00:44:35,950
in the three-part article which kicks

1130
00:44:41,610 --> 00:44:37,540
off with the curious description of

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00:44:44,070 --> 00:44:41,620
Japan as quote an exotic exoplanet where

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00:44:47,310 --> 00:44:44,080
their smile masks bowing inhabitants

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00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:47,320
speak a nuanced alien tongue and if you

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00:44:52,350 --> 00:44:49,330
stayed long enough an hour a respectful

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00:44:54,570 --> 00:44:52,360
gaijin a dolphin ID woman with thick

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00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:54,580
raven hair and the inherited grace of a

1137
00:45:01,110 --> 00:44:57,490
Geisha may show you the secrets of Yemen

1138
00:45:03,690 --> 00:45:01,120
oh okay there's something decidedly

1139
00:45:06,570 --> 00:45:03,700
unpleasant about those words inherently

1140
00:45:08,850 --> 00:45:06,580
patronizing an overtly racist but logic

1141
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:08,860
and restraint and not hallmarks of such

1142
00:45:14,910 --> 00:45:12,010
sites for start why would anyone want to

1143
00:45:17,070 --> 00:45:14,920
destroy all life on Earth who's left to

1144
00:45:19,740 --> 00:45:17,080
benefit from such self-destructive

1145
00:45:22,230 --> 00:45:19,750
action but that's part of the conspiracy

1146
00:45:25,940 --> 00:45:22,240
I think havens that geoengineering watch

1147
00:45:28,350 --> 00:45:25,950
is there to keep us alert and worried

1148
00:45:31,170 --> 00:45:28,360
with the background of these sites of

1149
00:45:34,020 --> 00:45:31,180
the geoengineering movement it's just as

1150
00:45:36,030 --> 00:45:34,030
interesting as the site's themselves the

1151
00:45:39,030 --> 00:45:36,040
person behind geoengineering watch is

1152
00:45:42,180 --> 00:45:39,040
Dane Wigington who quote has a

1153
00:45:44,580 --> 00:45:42,190
background in solar energy as his

1154
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:44,590
website says he is a former employee of

1155
00:45:50,390 --> 00:45:47,290
Bechtel Power Corp and was a licensed

1156
00:45:52,380 --> 00:45:50,400
contractor in California and Arizona

1157
00:45:54,810 --> 00:45:52,390
what the website doesn't

1158
00:45:57,930 --> 00:45:54,820
is that his background is as a solar

1159
00:46:00,050 --> 00:45:57,940
panel installer so he's unstated

1160
00:46:04,410 --> 00:46:00,060
scientific credentials are just that

1161
00:46:06,030 --> 00:46:04,420
unstated and possibly not existent the

1162
00:46:08,580 --> 00:46:06,040
fitting of the catastrophic nature are

1163
00:46:11,430 --> 00:46:08,590
the conspiracies he promotes he never

1164
00:46:13,290 --> 00:46:11,440
seems to smile the photo on the back

1165
00:46:16,050 --> 00:46:13,300
cover of his book geoengineering a

1166
00:46:18,990 --> 00:46:16,060
chronicle of indictment is of a man who

1167
00:46:20,370 --> 00:46:19,000
seems to be very worried and angry which

1168
00:46:22,140 --> 00:46:20,380
is fair enough we are talking about the

1169
00:46:23,670 --> 00:46:22,150
end of all life on earth so you could

1170
00:46:27,240 --> 00:46:23,680
have expect him to have a cheery grin

1171
00:46:28,950 --> 00:46:27,250
and he's not alone one of the off cited

1172
00:46:32,130 --> 00:46:28,960
early promoters of the chemtrail

1173
00:46:36,300 --> 00:46:32,140
conspiracy was William Thomas quote

1174
00:46:39,630 --> 00:46:36,310
journalist author videographer his 1999

1175
00:46:42,750 --> 00:46:39,640
article quote contrails poison from the

1176
00:46:44,850 --> 00:46:42,760
sky connected contrails to chemical

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00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:44,860
spraying although the article didn't use

1178
00:46:50,370 --> 00:46:48,370
the term chemtrails in 2000 a number of

1179
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:50,380
US agencies the Environmental Protection

1180
00:46:54,390 --> 00:46:51,570
Agency the Federal Aviation

1181
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:54,400
Administration NASA and NOAA jointly

1182
00:46:59,670 --> 00:46:56,530
responded to the claims attempting to

1183
00:47:01,920 --> 00:46:59,680
dispel the rumors naturally this was all

1184
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:01,930
part of the government cover-up the EPA

1185
00:47:07,950 --> 00:47:05,410
refreshed its posting in 2015 indicating

1186
00:47:11,550 --> 00:47:07,960
that chemtrail conspiracy theories have

1187
00:47:13,380 --> 00:47:11,560
not dispersed haha little library in

1188
00:47:14,700 --> 00:47:13,390
there now

1189
00:47:16,590 --> 00:47:14,710
yet to bear with me here could be got a

1190
00:47:20,970 --> 00:47:16,600
number of names here that cross over in

1191
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:20,980
this particular conspiracy world richard

1192
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:24,370
lou think of Rushville ohio was another

1193
00:47:29,310 --> 00:47:26,610
pioneer of the chemtrails conspiracy a

1194
00:47:30,720 --> 00:47:29,320
bookkeeper and accountant by trade he

1195
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:30,730
also around his own Christian radio

1196
00:47:36,410 --> 00:47:33,970
station an interesting history of the

1197
00:47:39,540 --> 00:47:36,420
controversy where participants predate

1198
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:39,550
Thomas can be found in a work in

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00:47:44,820 --> 00:47:42,610
progress by J Reynolds this work was

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00:47:47,190 --> 00:47:44,830
begun in 2000 it doesn't seem to have

1201
00:47:49,290 --> 00:47:47,200
much that comes after Thomas so are

1202
00:47:51,510 --> 00:47:49,300
pretty dates in pretty much but it does

1203
00:47:54,870 --> 00:47:51,520
include such people as Bill brumbaugh

1204
00:47:56,820 --> 00:47:54,880
and evangelist whom J Reynolds thinks

1205
00:48:00,420 --> 00:47:56,830
was the first to propose that contrails

1206
00:48:02,970 --> 00:48:00,430
are quote other than normal broom Bell

1207
00:48:06,270 --> 00:48:02,980
told Reynolds that with an associate Ric

1208
00:48:10,770 --> 00:48:06,280
Flores he took a sample of jet fuel in

1209
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:10,780
1996 Reynolds seems to be not that sure

1210
00:48:15,060 --> 00:48:13,090
that Flores exists at least under that

1211
00:48:17,790 --> 00:48:15,070
name as he regularly puts his name in

1212
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:17,800
quotes and fortunately the person

1213
00:48:24,210 --> 00:48:20,530
Bromberg got to analyze his jet fuel

1214
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:24,220
sample must Larry Wayne Harris someone

1215
00:48:28,530 --> 00:48:26,290
that blombo describes as quote not

1216
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:28,540
credible in regard to his statements

1217
00:48:33,300 --> 00:48:30,850
about the longevity of his employment by

1218
00:48:36,450 --> 00:48:33,310
the CIA and his claim of being a

1219
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:36,460
licensed microbiologist from 1984 to

1220
00:48:43,110 --> 00:48:41,410
1993 is false and not even close he was

1221
00:48:45,690 --> 00:48:43,120
actually a septic tank and water well

1222
00:48:50,460 --> 00:48:45,700
inspector which is his experience in

1223
00:48:52,170 --> 00:48:50,470
microbiology gear in 1997 Harris allied

1224
00:48:55,290 --> 00:48:52,180
himself with Fink who at that stage was

1225
00:48:57,240 --> 00:48:55,300
calling himself righteous dude in April

1226
00:49:00,030 --> 00:48:57,250
of 97 Harris was sentenced to probation

1227
00:49:03,350 --> 00:49:00,040
for wire fraud for his fraudulent

1228
00:49:07,710 --> 00:49:03,360
ordering of the bubonic plague bacteria

1229
00:49:10,290 --> 00:49:07,720
Yersinia pestis this bunch is a mixed

1230
00:49:12,870 --> 00:49:10,300
bunch indeed there was an Australian

1231
00:49:14,850 --> 00:49:12,880
connection to this one of Thomas's

1232
00:49:17,340 --> 00:49:14,860
claims was that dozens of residents of

1233
00:49:20,340 --> 00:49:17,350
crew indi in Australia swore they saw

1234
00:49:22,580 --> 00:49:20,350
quote cobwebs fall from the sky after

1235
00:49:24,870 --> 00:49:22,590
unidentified aircraft passed overhead

1236
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:24,880
the local UFO community

1237
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:27,370
put that down to angel hair which is

1238
00:49:32,220 --> 00:49:30,490
dispersed by alien craft the same

1239
00:49:34,970 --> 00:49:32,230
product has been reported as sightings

1240
00:49:38,070 --> 00:49:34,980
of the Virgin Mary including in Fatima

1241
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:38,080
so much for government conspiracies it

1242
00:49:46,099 --> 00:49:41,410
goes to the very top aliens and God are

1243
00:49:51,739 --> 00:49:49,799
and that's earthmovers from the readers

1244
00:50:07,559 --> 00:49:51,749
indigestible column of the skeptic

1245
00:50:09,420 --> 00:50:07,569
September 2018 vol 38 number three the

1246
00:50:12,539 --> 00:50:09,430
skeptic magazine the journal from

1247
00:50:14,759 --> 00:50:12,549
Australian skeptics subscribe online to

1248
00:50:20,069 --> 00:50:14,769
the world's second oldest skeptical

1249
00:50:23,279 --> 00:50:20,079
magazine visit WWF x comma u and click

1250
00:50:27,660 --> 00:50:23,289
the publication's link you can also find

1251
00:50:30,809 --> 00:50:27,670
there over 30 years of back issues free

1252
00:50:45,299 --> 00:50:30,819
to download the skeptic magazine from

1253
00:50:48,180 --> 00:50:45,309
Australian skeptics every year the

1254
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:48,190
Australian skeptics convention we take

1255
00:50:53,489 --> 00:50:50,170
great delight in giving out various

1256
00:50:54,769 --> 00:50:53,499
awards we like to reward people who we

1257
00:50:58,910 --> 00:50:54,779
think are doing good for the community

1258
00:51:02,039 --> 00:50:58,920
but also we give up the bent spoon award

1259
00:51:04,890 --> 00:51:02,049
it's the award nobody really wants to

1260
00:51:08,240 --> 00:51:04,900
win may not caught up with Tim Mendham

1261
00:51:11,370 --> 00:51:08,250
to find out about this year's awards

1262
00:51:15,459 --> 00:51:13,509
well what was the first bigger war that

1263
00:51:16,839 --> 00:51:15,469
went off the host bigger what of course

1264
00:51:18,459 --> 00:51:16,849
is the bent spoon award which was

1265
00:51:19,449 --> 00:51:18,469
awarded to the most preposterous piece

1266
00:51:21,789 --> 00:51:19,459
of paranormal piffle

1267
00:51:23,859 --> 00:51:21,799
and look there was a lot of finalists a

1268
00:51:25,630 --> 00:51:23,869
lot of people that done some silly

1269
00:51:26,859 --> 00:51:25,640
things but what ones almost got it you

1270
00:51:30,609 --> 00:51:26,869
think well the one that got the

1271
00:51:32,949 --> 00:51:30,619
dishonorable mention was the National

1272
00:51:35,199 --> 00:51:32,959
seniors group which is a lobby group for

1273
00:51:37,479 --> 00:51:35,209
older people as the name would imply who

1274
00:51:40,150 --> 00:51:37,489
also spent their time promoting a very

1275
00:51:41,890 --> 00:51:40,160
dodgy alternative health product was at

1276
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:41,900
one the copper bracelet ones I wasn't a

1277
00:51:47,949 --> 00:51:43,130
couple of brace that it was actually a

1278
00:51:50,589 --> 00:51:47,959
supplement IAEA right to come in a which

1279
00:51:51,489 --> 00:51:50,599
is part of tumeric and it is actually

1280
00:51:53,559 --> 00:51:51,499
can be quite dangerous

1281
00:51:54,969 --> 00:51:53,569
oh so therefore they were offering this

1282
00:51:56,709 --> 00:51:54,979
to seniors which poppy is not a great

1283
00:51:58,839 --> 00:51:56,719
idea okay well they've got a

1284
00:51:59,680 --> 00:51:58,849
dishonorable mention and who won the big

1285
00:52:03,279 --> 00:51:59,690
spoon

1286
00:52:06,489 --> 00:52:03,289
Gong drumroll the big mention went to

1287
00:52:07,749 --> 00:52:06,499
the SBS medicine or myths TV program

1288
00:52:09,130 --> 00:52:07,759
look I've been rooting for them because

1289
00:52:11,109 --> 00:52:09,140
they haven't had one the ABCs been

1290
00:52:13,329 --> 00:52:11,119
getting one every time they have a final

1291
00:52:15,039 --> 00:52:13,339
wiki show but so with the people who got

1292
00:52:16,359 --> 00:52:15,049
the boot off the ABC show do they move

1293
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:16,369
out of SBS and do something what

1294
00:52:19,900 --> 00:52:18,170
happened yeah they're all very desperate

1295
00:52:22,180 --> 00:52:19,910
to get the pen spoon actually SBS was

1296
00:52:24,430 --> 00:52:22,190
nominated twice in this particular year

1297
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:24,440
so they've done their job they've done

1298
00:52:28,209 --> 00:52:26,930
quite well but medicine on myth which of

1299
00:52:30,849 --> 00:52:28,219
course had a panel of three people

1300
00:52:32,859 --> 00:52:30,859
judging some of the weirdest wackiest

1301
00:52:35,319 --> 00:52:32,869
things and the problem was they treated

1302
00:52:36,309 --> 00:52:35,329
some of them seriously and they really

1303
00:52:39,189 --> 00:52:36,319
shouldn't have been treated seriously

1304
00:52:43,599 --> 00:52:39,199
there's more kitten myth and maybe

1305
00:52:47,199 --> 00:52:43,609
salami okay so did they turn up on the

1306
00:52:48,759 --> 00:52:47,209
night no has anyone ever turned up on

1307
00:52:50,140 --> 00:52:48,769
the night to get their award no because

1308
00:52:52,660 --> 00:52:50,150
we don't actually tell them who everyone

1309
00:52:53,890 --> 00:52:52,670
I feel afterwards okay no one's ever

1310
00:52:56,019 --> 00:52:53,900
actually coming forward asking for them

1311
00:52:57,549 --> 00:52:56,029
for the really lovely sort of statue

1312
00:52:58,779 --> 00:52:57,559
actually that we have for the bid spoon

1313
00:53:00,189 --> 00:52:58,789
we'll go on the website and have a look

1314
00:53:02,589 --> 00:53:00,199
at the bent spoon it's pretty fantastic

1315
00:53:04,930 --> 00:53:02,599
God we brought it down here in Richards

1316
00:53:06,309 --> 00:53:04,940
a mystery man bill absolutely I know

1317
00:53:08,709 --> 00:53:06,319
I've been watching its progress actually

1318
00:53:10,509 --> 00:53:08,719
think very exciting passing one icon

1319
00:53:11,739 --> 00:53:10,519
amongst the other icons that was the

1320
00:53:13,299 --> 00:53:11,749
bent spoon that went off what were the

1321
00:53:15,009 --> 00:53:13,309
other wards on the night okay there are

1322
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:15,019
the more positive Awards there is a

1323
00:53:18,130 --> 00:53:16,729
media award which is for critical

1324
00:53:19,779 --> 00:53:18,140
journalism and I don't necessarily mean

1325
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:19,789
Pro skeptical journalism but actually

1326
00:53:23,390 --> 00:53:21,690
critical

1327
00:53:25,790 --> 00:53:23,400
approach to these sort of skeptical

1328
00:53:27,410 --> 00:53:25,800
topics and that was won by Liam Mannix

1329
00:53:30,620 --> 00:53:27,420
who writes for the Aged and the city

1330
00:53:32,630 --> 00:53:30,630
Morning Herald there was also the Thor

1331
00:53:33,950 --> 00:53:32,640
net award which is for the promotion of

1332
00:53:35,240 --> 00:53:33,960
reason which is often for someone who's

1333
00:53:36,830 --> 00:53:35,250
got nothing to do with a skeptical

1334
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:36,840
movement at all but they've just done

1335
00:53:41,780 --> 00:53:39,210
good stuff promoting reason whether it's

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science or just yeah appropriate

1337
00:53:46,970 --> 00:53:44,100
activities and things and that went to a

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00:53:48,380 --> 00:53:46,980
fella named guy knows who's a was the

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00:53:50,180 --> 00:53:48,390
publisher of a magazine called

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00:53:52,460 --> 00:53:50,190
Australasian science which unfortunately

1341
00:53:54,020 --> 00:53:52,470
closed this year despite his best

1342
00:53:55,910 --> 00:53:54,030
efforts to keep it alive and one of the

1343
00:53:58,220 --> 00:53:55,920
sad things in Australia is that our

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00:54:00,680 --> 00:53:58,230
science magazines are dropping by the

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00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:00,690
wayside as I like to point out to people

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00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:03,570
there's more magazines about hobby

1347
00:54:08,170 --> 00:54:06,210
railways and then there are about

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00:54:10,850 --> 00:54:08,180
science we've have we've got two left

1349
00:54:12,590 --> 00:54:10,860
we've got a three I think actually if

1350
00:54:14,750 --> 00:54:12,600
you kind of see SRO one yeah I have got

1351
00:54:17,300 --> 00:54:14,760
many it's rather say it for a topic like

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00:54:19,550 --> 00:54:17,310
science which is sort of big yeah and

1353
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:19,560
therefore he won the the award almost as

1354
00:54:23,030 --> 00:54:21,450
much encouragement and the media award

1355
00:54:26,230 --> 00:54:23,040
and the thorny reward apart from a

1356
00:54:29,660 --> 00:54:26,240
lovely citation they also get $2,000 Wow

1357
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:29,670
good and and what about we had some

1358
00:54:34,010 --> 00:54:32,130
awards to the skeptics themselves did we

1359
00:54:35,300 --> 00:54:34,020
have a life member this year we did

1360
00:54:36,710 --> 00:54:35,310
actually have a life member and we award

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00:54:38,140 --> 00:54:36,720
that to people who are either on the

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00:54:40,340 --> 00:54:38,150
front line or even behind the scenes

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00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:40,350
doing good work over a long period of

1364
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:41,610
time and actually putting them because

1365
00:54:45,350 --> 00:54:43,170
you had skeptic moving is voluntary

1366
00:54:47,810 --> 00:54:45,360
well by and large actually entirely but

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00:54:49,550 --> 00:54:47,820
for me but and people put a lot of time

1368
00:54:51,500 --> 00:54:49,560
and effort into working for the skeptics

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00:54:53,720 --> 00:54:51,510
and we'd like to recognize them with a

1370
00:54:56,810 --> 00:54:53,730
life membership and this year it went to

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00:54:58,730 --> 00:54:56,820
a fellow named Mel Vickers who's me who

1372
00:55:01,850 --> 00:54:58,740
gave up his job actually to some

1373
00:55:03,940 --> 00:55:01,860
sceptical work and do some reentered

1374
00:55:06,770 --> 00:55:03,950
study he's also doing my work on the

1375
00:55:08,660 --> 00:55:06,780
chiropractic and alternative medicine

1376
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:08,670
areas and he's done a lot of great work

1377
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:10,650
look I've done and talking him briefly

1378
00:55:13,940 --> 00:55:12,090
yesterday and he said he still hasn't

1379
00:55:15,050 --> 00:55:13,950
quite got published but that what has

1380
00:55:15,620 --> 00:55:15,060
been trying to get published be still

1381
00:55:18,140 --> 00:55:15,630
working on it

1382
00:55:20,420 --> 00:55:18,150
he's he's a very diligent worker yes oh

1383
00:55:22,670 --> 00:55:20,430
good on your mouth who else that's it

1384
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:22,680
right did you get one may not know I

1385
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:24,810
look I'll look let me have a look no no

1386
00:55:28,340 --> 00:55:26,370
I didn't get one I didn't get one either

1387
00:55:29,570 --> 00:55:28,350
so there we look you might get a life

1388
00:55:31,010 --> 00:55:29,580
membership shortly before you die

1389
00:55:32,570 --> 00:55:31,020
actually that's one of the first ones to

1390
00:55:36,140 --> 00:55:32,580
get a life membership

1391
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:36,150
hang on that that's incidental well I

1392
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:37,650
didn't I didn't choose it I must admit I

1393
00:55:41,630 --> 00:55:38,850
was actually better third in line

1394
00:55:43,580 --> 00:55:41,640
because only five at the time what's the

1395
00:55:45,770 --> 00:55:43,590
most controversial night that we've had

1396
00:55:47,750 --> 00:55:45,780
of these I'm only been to a couple was

1397
00:55:49,670 --> 00:55:47,760
there one where like a bit of befo went

1398
00:55:50,750 --> 00:55:49,680
on someone didn't like what happened so

1399
00:55:52,220 --> 00:55:50,760
much meaning the scale I mean that

1400
00:55:54,110 --> 00:55:52,230
members the public turn up and they go

1401
00:55:56,750 --> 00:55:54,120
hang on any of that go on oh yeah I mean

1402
00:55:58,220 --> 00:55:56,760
sort of as I said most people no one's

1403
00:56:00,980 --> 00:55:58,230
ever actually asked for the for the

1404
00:56:02,270 --> 00:56:00,990
actual monument as you've seen it but

1405
00:56:03,650 --> 00:56:02,280
some people have been pretty upset that

1406
00:56:05,300 --> 00:56:03,660
they've won at Merrill dori of the

1407
00:56:08,210 --> 00:56:05,310
Australian vaccinations wit network was

1408
00:56:10,490 --> 00:56:08,220
quite defensive when she got it pally Oh

1409
00:56:12,380 --> 00:56:10,500
Pete Evans but that raised a lot of

1410
00:56:15,500 --> 00:56:12,390
publicity about it because he was well

1411
00:56:17,030 --> 00:56:15,510
he's well known the the chaser did a

1412
00:56:19,010 --> 00:56:17,040
nice little bit about him winning the

1413
00:56:22,910 --> 00:56:19,020
Ben Smith actually he thought it was

1414
00:56:24,170 --> 00:56:22,920
cutlery oh well now you've heard the

1415
00:56:25,340 --> 00:56:24,180
winners there you can go along to the

1416
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:25,350
website and have a look and see more

1417
00:56:29,090 --> 00:56:26,490
details about the evening

1418
00:56:30,230 --> 00:56:29,100
skeptics calmed don't a you so get along

1419
00:56:31,130 --> 00:56:30,240
there and have a look and if you'd never

1420
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:31,140
look what you've only got yourself to

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00:56:38,700 --> 00:56:31,530
blame

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00:56:38,710 --> 00:56:48,120
[Music]

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00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:50,530
the patreon would be happy with that

1424
00:56:55,660 --> 00:56:52,130
show today Richard that was packet had

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00:56:57,910 --> 00:56:55,670
ups it had downs it had love it had lust

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00:56:59,590 --> 00:56:57,920
it had an adventure it had quiet moments

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00:57:01,690 --> 00:56:59,600
and had cats it had everything that

1428
00:57:03,970 --> 00:57:01,700
Brian Donnie look a shout out to

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00:57:06,940 --> 00:57:03,980
everybody who lives in the euro council

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00:57:09,670 --> 00:57:06,950
area and watch out for roaming cats as

1431
00:57:12,340 --> 00:57:09,680
we've discovered Livia sharing a place

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00:57:13,780 --> 00:57:12,350
there I had a couch and a backyard I've

1433
00:57:16,390 --> 00:57:13,790
been living in for the last couple of

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00:57:18,130 --> 00:57:16,400
days and roaming cats are not allowed in

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00:57:19,810 --> 00:57:18,140
the era council and a roaming cat is

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00:57:20,230 --> 00:57:19,820
defined as a cat that comes into your

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00:57:22,780 --> 00:57:20,240
yard

1438
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:22,790
repeatedly annoying you and you call the

1439
00:57:26,500 --> 00:57:24,890
Rangers and they take the cat to the

1440
00:57:28,540 --> 00:57:26,510
lost dogs home which sounds like a

1441
00:57:29,350 --> 00:57:28,550
terrible thing to happen to a cat I

1442
00:57:30,700 --> 00:57:29,360
don't know what that were you know

1443
00:57:32,500 --> 00:57:30,710
because that's the last place the

1444
00:57:34,630 --> 00:57:32,510
captain want to be and we have to thank

1445
00:57:35,950 --> 00:57:34,640
our good friend dr. Steve Roberts we're

1446
00:57:37,300 --> 00:57:35,960
staying with him at the moment you're

1447
00:57:38,710 --> 00:57:37,310
staying in the backyard I know but I've

1448
00:57:41,830 --> 00:57:38,720
got an inside room I'm keeping an eye

1449
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:41,840
out for roaming cats I mean cats coming

1450
00:57:47,350 --> 00:57:44,210
up on next week's show lots lots more

1451
00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:47,360
from skeptic on 2019 interviews and lots

1452
00:57:52,900 --> 00:57:50,210
of your favorite skeptical speakers and

1453
00:57:55,210 --> 00:57:52,910
just the wonderful people here attending

1454
00:57:56,470 --> 00:57:55,220
this weekend yep I'm gonna be going and

1455
00:57:58,270 --> 00:57:56,480
talking to a few of them now which

1456
00:57:59,650 --> 00:57:58,280
you'll hear on next week's show and

1457
00:58:02,710 --> 00:57:59,660
speaking of patreon it's made out of

1458
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:02,720
course as I'm doing and I know you do on

1459
00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:06,050
your shows that may not comdata you we

1460
00:58:10,780 --> 00:58:09,170
must thank the patreon without you we

1461
00:58:12,790 --> 00:58:10,790
wouldn't be here at all doing this I

1462
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:12,800
know you would never say this but as Tim

1463
00:58:16,030 --> 00:58:14,450
Ferguson and myself say on the planet

1464
00:58:17,230 --> 00:58:16,040
may know the patreon czar the only

1465
00:58:19,090 --> 00:58:17,240
listens that really count because

1466
00:58:21,220 --> 00:58:19,100
without them there wouldn't be any show

1467
00:58:24,040 --> 00:58:21,230
well all this in this count that they

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00:58:25,330 --> 00:58:24,050
account especially I think yes and thank

1469
00:58:27,250 --> 00:58:25,340
you very much for that and thank you my

1470
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:27,260
patreon because the patreon money came

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00:58:31,300 --> 00:58:29,810
in on the same day the rent came out and

1472
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:31,310
when that doesn't happen that's a bad

1473
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:33,770
thing you've been releasing podcasts

1474
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:35,330
every day for the last week or so happen

1475
00:58:40,900 --> 00:58:39,050
- there are 12 count them 12 better than

1476
00:58:42,940 --> 00:58:40,910
average Christmas specials dating back

1477
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:42,950
to 2009 all the way up to this year the

1478
00:58:46,570 --> 00:58:44,570
2019 ones are crackers and some

1479
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:46,580
Christmas music that people just don't

1480
00:58:50,950 --> 00:58:48,530
play and you'll find out why you'll find

1481
00:58:53,140 --> 00:58:50,960
out why all right I think it's time for

1482
00:58:54,490 --> 00:58:53,150
us to dive once more back into the meet

1483
00:58:55,350 --> 00:58:54,500
and greet that's where we're we're

1484
00:58:58,290 --> 00:58:55,360
record

1485
00:59:00,000 --> 00:58:58,300
from and well for now this is Richard

1486
00:59:05,940 --> 00:59:00,010
Maynard signing off from Melbourne

1487
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:05,950
Victoria you've been listening to the

1488
00:59:13,230 --> 00:59:08,650
skeptic zone podcast please visit our

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00:59:16,530 --> 00:59:13,240
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00:59:20,730 --> 00:59:16,540
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1491
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:20,740
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1495
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1497
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:36,880
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1498
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:38,650
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1499
00:59:43,170 --> 00:59:41,050
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00:59:46,100 --> 00:59:43,180
necessarily those of Australian skeptics

1501
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:46,110
or any other sceptical organisation

1502
01:00:01,480 --> 00:59:58,930
I'm with a man who knows something about

1503
01:00:02,230 --> 01:00:01,490
random numbers hello Steve Roberts good

1504
01:00:08,550 --> 01:00:02,240
morning Richard

1505
01:00:13,450 --> 01:00:11,170
making sure yeah yeah that's good making

1506
01:00:15,810 --> 01:00:13,460
sure the sound effects are excited so

1507
01:00:18,190 --> 01:00:15,820
here we go it's the end of the show and

1508
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:18,200
yes you know a lot about random numbers

1509
01:00:23,230 --> 01:00:21,050
and mathematics I've got the tin affair

1510
01:00:25,510 --> 01:00:23,240
and you can agree yes okay yeah it's

1511
01:00:29,980 --> 01:00:25,520
nice eh a fair 10-sided dice it's got

1512
01:00:31,690 --> 01:00:29,990
like five the Pyramid of five sides on

1513
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:31,700
one side you turn over the pyramid of

1514
01:00:37,150 --> 01:00:34,850
five sides on the other so um every

1515
01:00:39,130 --> 01:00:37,160
number zero to nine in fact every number

1516
01:00:42,430 --> 01:00:39,140
has exactly the same area from the dice

1517
01:00:45,070 --> 01:00:42,440
and um the angles are all the same so

1518
01:00:46,810 --> 01:00:45,080
it's a is another perfectly symmetrical

1519
01:00:48,450 --> 01:00:46,820
dice because you've got a ten side will

1520
01:00:50,860 --> 01:00:48,460
figure that symmetrical but then this is

1521
01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:50,870
good as you can get an every number gets

1522
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:53,090
the same chance of coming up yeah all

1523
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:54,890
right so those of you playing along at

1524
01:00:58,870 --> 01:00:56,930
home oh wait wait wait for it wait for

1525
01:01:01,720 --> 01:00:58,880
it keen he's wrong he's starting to roll

1526
01:01:03,190 --> 01:01:01,730
the dice use your predicting power folks

1527
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:03,200
to guess the first number Steve's about

1528
01:01:07,060 --> 01:01:05,810
to roll it yeah the faces say zero one

1529
01:01:09,250 --> 01:01:07,070
two three four five six seven eight nine

1530
01:01:12,070 --> 01:01:09,260
but of course if it comes up zero we say

1531
01:01:13,990 --> 01:01:12,080
it's different so one two ten you've got

1532
01:01:16,150 --> 01:01:14,000
a one in ten shot for the first roll and

1533
01:01:18,490 --> 01:01:16,160
Steve yeah there it is

1534
01:01:20,500 --> 01:01:18,500
it's a three it's a three folks here we

1535
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:20,510
are so write that on your card at home

1536
01:01:27,790 --> 01:01:22,490
number three is the first number now

1537
01:01:29,620 --> 01:01:27,800
predict again and Steve ten ten whoo I

1538
01:01:31,630 --> 01:01:29,630
can't remember ten coming up much before

1539
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:31,640
echo three and ten don't roll the dice

1540
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:34,810
it off okay yeah three eight three oh

1541
01:01:39,700 --> 01:01:37,010
there's got to be some code meeting

1542
01:01:42,010 --> 01:01:39,710
there that can't happen you can get two

1543
01:01:44,110 --> 01:01:42,020
threes in a row for yourself and well

1544
01:01:46,150 --> 01:01:44,120
frankly if that never happened you'd

1545
01:01:48,190 --> 01:01:46,160
think well what is going on you actually

1546
01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:48,200
never know there should be a one in ten

1547
01:01:51,190 --> 01:01:49,250
chance that you get the same number

1548
01:01:54,559 --> 01:01:51,200
again that it doesn't quite work that

1549
01:01:56,599 --> 01:01:54,569
way it does work that well

1550
01:01:59,120 --> 01:01:56,609
we can have this conversation for hours

1551
01:02:00,980 --> 01:01:59,130
it's a phenomenon I know if you ask

1552
01:02:02,569 --> 01:02:00,990
people to generate numbers at random or

1553
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:02,579
like the random they will not light down

1554
01:02:06,019 --> 01:02:04,410
to the same well off to the other it's a

1555
01:02:08,630 --> 01:02:06,029
giveaway isn't it it's a giveaway

1556
01:02:11,329 --> 01:02:08,640
because sometimes 333 will appear and

1557
01:02:14,210 --> 01:02:11,339
then one one one six six six two I mean

1558
01:02:15,799 --> 01:02:14,220
numbers can do that yeah that can happen

1559
01:02:17,329 --> 01:02:15,809
you can look at exactly how often that

1560
01:02:19,210 --> 01:02:17,339
should happen and it doesn't happen as

1561
01:02:21,079 --> 01:02:19,220
often as it should if people have been

1562
01:02:23,450 --> 01:02:21,089
interfering with the numbers or made

1563
01:02:25,309 --> 01:02:23,460
them up themselves speaks of codebreaker

1564
01:02:27,230 --> 01:02:25,319
steve roberts thank you very much yeah